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Poster: Moongleam Date: Apr 26, 2012 9:15pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

Did you search for a copyright renewal for Stagecoach?

If you didn't, why do you say that it is p.d.?

The copyright was renewed in 1967.

STAGECOACH, a photoplay in ten reels
by Walter Wanger Productions.
(C) JOFeb39; LP8662. Twentieth Cen-
tury-Fox Film Corp. (PWH); 25Jan67;
R4 02779-

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 27, 2012 2:27pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

It has been PD for years. They are grabbing films out of the archive and playing them on Amazon, Hulu, IMDB and YouTube to name a few. Search on YouTube for StageCoach or McClintock and you will see that there are channels that have it. It is just nuts.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 27, 2012 3:24pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

They're allowed to do this, bullie. Public domain can be distributed any way the user wishes, even for a profit.

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 3:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

They may use the films, however they cannot buy them as they are never for sale. That is what the US Copyright Law states. They must share them with others, like you and I. For them to remove them from the Archive is a major violation of the Copyright Act of 1976.

Thanks.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 28, 2012 3:20pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

What part of the copyright act are you referring to? If it's public domain, people are free to derive, modify and distribute it. Public domain by definition means that the work is no longer in copyright.

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 3:57pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

"Public domain" means that copyright no longer applies to the work. When the copyright has expired, it is said to be in the public domain. This means anyone is free to use the material. When a work is in the public domain, then the copyright can no longer be sold or transferred, since copyright protection no longer applies to the work including music.

If you have additional questions or need further assistance, our contact information is listed below.

Sincerely,

JS
U.S. Copyright Office
Attn: Public Information Office-LM401
101 Independence Avenue, S.E.
Washington, DC 20559-6000
Phone: (202) 707-5959

That is directly from the US Copyright Office as you can see. People do not understand that the copyrights to these films themselves can never be sold. You can take the films and do anything you want but you can never claim you own them as a score of companies are doing.

Thanks.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 28, 2012 4:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

The COPYRIGHT can no longer sold or transferred, that doesn't apply to the work itself.

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 4:20pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

The film itself can never be sold. It can be used by anybody but nobody can claim a copyright on it or take it out of the archive.

Thanks.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 28, 2012 4:44pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

You don't understand what public domain means. Nobody owns the rights to it anymore. If I wish to download 'Plan 9 from Outer Space,' burn it to disk and sell it from a shop, I can do so without owing any royalties to the Archive or to Ed Woods' estate. No restrictions. Posting it on a website does not give the Archive special rights to the work, and Ed Woods' rights expired with the copyright.

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 5:09pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

Indeed, I do know what Public Domain means. The Archive contains collections of films owned by the Library of Congress. The Library of Congress allows films in the Public Domain to be used by anyone for any reason. Nobody can take a film in the Public Domain and restrict it.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 28, 2012 5:21pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

I give up. Be sure to return everything, okay?

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 5:39pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

You clearly do not understand the Statute. That is okay. Law, by its Nature is complex. I am tired of this too. I am an Attorney and tired of trying to educate as that is not my job.

Grab the films while you can as they are being illegally removed from the Archive.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Apr 28, 2012 5:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

You clearly lack any understanding of the issues here. You seem to be getting things all mixed up. Some facts that might help you gain an understanding:

1) When you see removal requests in the forum it is because the film is NOT in the public domain but is in fact copyright protected and needs to go for that reason alone.

2) The majority of the films here are not contributed by or "Owned" by the Library of Congress. These collections are user contributed - they are movies uploaded by individual, corporate and institutional donors.

3) Public domain films are free to be repackaged, sold, marketed, altered, derived upon, etc in any way the user sees fit.

4) There is no obligation in the law to share public domain films. If I want to, I can keep all the really rare reels of film I have on my shelves just for myself. In fact, I am not even obligated to share them with myself.

5) Courts have ruled that it is appropriate for users to claim copyright on derivative works made from public domain works. For example, if a company takes a damaged silent film and creates new title cards and music or takes an English language film and creates a Spanish soundtrack, they have created a new copyright work that they do not have any obligation to share. They are able to place any restrictions within copyright law they wish. But they only own a copyright on their new work not the original work.

6) The problems you have on Youtube are the result of a failed automated content identification system. It is perfectly legal for a person who has created a new work based on a public domain work to place that work in a system such as Youtube's Content ID. What is unacceptable is that that system can not distinguish between one version of a public domain work and another or that the claimant would deny disputes in bad faith (or has placed an unaltered public domain work in the system).

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Poster: bullie89 Date: Apr 28, 2012 6:45pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

I get this.

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Poster: jonc Date: Apr 28, 2012 5:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain

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Poster: migre Date: Apr 28, 2012 6:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: I know where all the Public Domain Films are going...

Now here's a URL for YOU...look for the hidden "message"

http://ramrod-boston.com/